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TOPIC: When your relatives commit ID fraud - and what to do
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 10:31 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Lenona wrote:
> Just thought I'd dig up this Nov. 1998 Ann Landers column - a naive
> one that readers responded to and thus made her change her mind.
> Her advice as to what the victims "should" have done is ridiculous.
> What would have been the chances of getting their money back had they
> followed her advice on how to do so? Hint: She said that the victims should
> not have filed charges because "relatives don't do that to one another."
She's right. Only stupid americans are that litigious.
> And here are the respondents:
> Readers Rap Grandma's `Ripoff'
> January 19, 1999 By Ann Landers.
> Dear Ann Landers: I would like to respond to the letter from "Ticked
> Off in Texas." His mother-in-law, "Edna," used her granddaughter's
> name to get phone service, and then, "Tiffany," the granddaughter,
> wound up $500 in debt. She filed charges against Grandma for fraud.
> You said, "Relatives don't do that to one another." Ann, Tiffany HAD
> to file fraud charges to get the negative credit removed from her report.
Only in the stupid american system.
> Paying it off without disputing the charges would still cause credit problems for the girl.
Disputing the charges isnt the same thing as having granny charged by the cops.
> I negotiate home loans for one of the nation's largest lenders. Here's what
> would have happened had Tiffany not filed the fraud report: It would be
> virtually impossible for her to get a car loan at normal interest rates.
Only in the stupid american system. In our system, the ombudsman
would force the credit reporting agency to amend the credit report.
> She would forever have to put down a large deposit to get
> utilities. She would have difficulty qualifying for student loans
> and certainly would have trouble getting her first home.
> Early credit problems for young people can forever change the way
> their credit is treated. Where I work, there is a flag put on credit
> reports for Social Security numbers issued in the last 18 years -- and
> thus belonging to minors. If the phone company had had this
> information, they would not have extended credit to 16-year-old
> Tiffany.
> While I'm at it, let me take this opportunity to get across some
> important credit information to your readers: If you are moving to
> another state and plan to buy a home, keep close at hand your tax
> returns, bank statements and recent paycheck stubs. You will need
> these to qualify for the mortgage on a new home.
Only in the stupid US system.
> If you are getting a divorce and dividing the debts, be certain you
> list the company name and account number for each credit card debt in
> the property settlement. Don't let your attorney write, "He gets this
> bill, and she gets the other." Ten years later, it's difficult to
> determine who was supposed to pay what bills when new
> accounts and new spouses are added to the mix.
Or dont divorce in the first place.
> Diana in Palm Harbor, Fla.
> Dear Diana: Thanks for giving my readers a lot of valuable legal
> advice for free. Keep reading for more about Edna and Tiffany:
> From California: Your advice to "Ticked Off in Texas" was way off the
> mark. My wife's elderly aunt was ripped off for more than $150,000 by
> her nephew. The money came from the sale of her home and was her
> retirement nest egg. She sued him to get it back. Would you have
> denied her that money just because he was a relative? Grandma is a
> crook and deserved to be nailed.
> Temple, Texas: I couldn't believe your addle-brained response to
> "Ticked Off." The only thing Tiffany's parents should have done
> differently was warn Grandma of the impending fraud charges if she
> didn't pay up promptly and clear the matter with the phone company.
> That would have given Grandma the chance to do the right thing and
> preserve family harmony before Tiffany filed a fraud report.
> Honolulu: You blew it, Ann. If the phone company could not collect the
> $500 debt from Deadbeat Granny, how do you expect 16-year-old Tiffany
> to do it? Granny sounds like a con artist. A day in a jail cell might
> do her some good.
> Roanoke, Va.: Filing charges is the only way to clear Tiffany's name.
> I have seen families try to put phone bills and bank accounts in the
> names of children who were 4 or 5 years old. "Ticked Off" might want
> to write other utility companies and get a copy of Tiffany's credit
> report to make sure Granny hasn't surprised her again. In fact,
> everyone should get a copy of his or her credit report once a year.
> Also, Ann, your Pollyanna notion that relatives shouldn't sue each
> other is naive. When the relative is a crook, that person should be
> treated like any other crook.
> Dear Readers: I'm afraid I put family loyalty ahead of the financial
> and legal facts of life. The critics are right.
Nope.
> (end)
> (I realize, of course, that things may be even more complicated now,
> but the pragmatic lesson is still the same.)
Nope.
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TOPIC: Freezer question, your experience.
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== 1 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 11:09 am
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
In article <86nhruFpksU1@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Fake ID wrote
>>>> Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net> wrote
>>>>> john hamilton wrote
>
>>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
>>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
>>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>
>>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
>>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
>>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
>
>>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
>
>>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
>
>> Wrong.
>
>Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the fridge.
Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of the
winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
== 2 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 11:27 am
From: Jim K
On Jun 2, 7:09 pm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
> In article <86nhruFpk...@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Doug Miller wrote
> >> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> Fake ID wrote
> >>>> Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote
> >>>>> john hamilton wrote
>
> >>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
> >>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
> >>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>
> >>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
> >>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
> >>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
>
> >>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
>
> >>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
>
> >> Wrong.
>
> >Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the fridge.
>
> Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
>
> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of the
> winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
who said anything about cardboard milk cartons?
frozen coke cans just pop out the inverted base if yyou freeze them
(over here anyways ;>))
Jim K
== 3 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 11:49 am
From: "ARWadsworth"
"Jim K" <jk989898@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:bdd7fdd1-d86f-4834-9b03-386018b45bb1@v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 2, 7:09 pm, spamb...@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:
>> In article <86nhruFpk...@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Doug Miller wrote
>> >> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> Fake ID wrote
>> >>>> Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote
>> >>>>> john hamilton wrote
>>
>> >>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
>> >>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
>> >>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>>
>> >>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
>> >>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
>> >>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
>>
>> >>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
>>
>> >>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
>>
>> >> Wrong.
>>
>> >Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the
>> >fridge.
>>
>> Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
>> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
>>
>> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of the
>> winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
>
> who said anything about cardboard milk cartons?
>
> frozen coke cans just pop out the inverted base if yyou freeze them
> (over here anyways ;>))
>
> Jim K
The coke cans do but I can assure you that cans of Stella pop the ring pulls
if left in a freezer.
Adam
== 4 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 11:50 am
From: "Rod Speed"
Doug Miller wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Doug Miller wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Fake ID wrote
>>>>> Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net> wrote
>>>>>> john hamilton wrote
>>>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
>>>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
>>>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>>>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
>>>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
>>>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
>>>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
>>>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
>>> Wrong.
>> Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the fridge.
> Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
Like I said, I did that quite a bit when defrosting the fridge, not one ever burst.
> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
Nope, not one ever burst.
> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of
> the winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
Nope, not one has ever burst here, and dont when you put them in the freezer either.
The only ones that have ever burst have been in glass containers, what we call stubbys.
== 5 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 12:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
john hamilton wrote:
> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the
> lid on the top.
>
> 'Which' magazine recommends the Miele GT263 and for a hundred pounds
> less the Zanussi ZFC 321 which comes in at £260.
>
> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the air inside,
> after the lid is closed.
They actually say it expels the FROST inside, not the air.
> With less air trapped the theory is that it
> will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>
> Knowing that its just not easy to get an airtight seal, the suspicion
> is that it might draw the air out but; it will creep back in again
> anyway.
> Would anyone with experience of the Miele freezer know if its worth
> paying the extra £100 for this 'de-frost' feature. In other words
> does it work as a means of cutting out defrosting? Thanks for any
> advice.
== 6 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 12:25 pm
From: "hr(bob) hofmann@att.net"
On Jun 2, 2:17 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> john hamilton wrote:
> > We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the
> > lid on the top.
>
> > 'Which' magazine recommends the Miele GT263 and for a hundred pounds
> > less the Zanussi ZFC 321 which comes in at £260.
>
> > The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the air inside,
> > after the lid is closed.
>
> They actually say it expels the FROST inside, not the air.
>
>
>
> > With less air trapped the theory is that it
> > will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>
> > Knowing that its just not easy to get an airtight seal, the suspicion
> > is that it might draw the air out but; it will creep back in again
> > anyway.
> > Would anyone with experience of the Miele freezer know if its worth
> > paying the extra £100 for this 'de-frost' feature. In other words
> > does it work as a means of cutting out defrosting? Thanks for any
> > advice.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That still doesn't make sense. how do they expel the frost, scrape it
off and then toss it out somehowwww??? They might mean a self-
defrosting freezer, that would make some sense at least.
== 7 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 12:57 pm
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)
In article <86ni38Fr4aU1@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>GregS wrote
>> Lou Decruss <LouDecruss@biteme.com> wrote
>>> (Doug Miller) wrote
>>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Unless the cellar is deep underground, cellars still will be warmer in
> summer and colder in winter.
>
>>>> Surely you don't mean what you wrote.
>
>>> I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder
>>> why someone would insist on a chest freezer.
>
>> MORE efficient.
>
>Only trivially. The amount of air involved is trivial.
Nearly all the air drops out of an upright. The thing is, air
has little mass. Its the foods mass which stores the absence
of heat. But, if you keep opening the door, it matters.
>> All I know are not self defrosting,
>
>Plenty of upright freezers are too.
>
>> more efficiency,.
>Thats a myth.
Wrong.
The circulation fan is the main cause.
I know by use. The old refridgerators have less effect
on partially closed containers. Its hard to seal a lot of them.
I think it may have somthing to do with the ziploc bags
in my freezer expanding. They all fill up with air over time, and I
keep letting the air out. IS THIS MAGIC ??
Most of what i say about the refridgerator/freezer subject is from direct experiance.
>Particularly if the freezer is in the kitchen and thats by
>far the most convenient place to have it, a vertical freezer
>is much more convenient to use and takes up less floor
>space and is well worth the trivially lower efficence that
>you get becaue the air falls out when you open the door.
The ideal system is a separate freezer and fridge in the kitchen,
and also a walk in pantry.
One TV show, Chef at Home, has these features with an otherwise normal
looking medium sized kitchen. Nice. I wish. At least I have 2 microwaves and
two turbo ovens and a regular oven, there.
== 8 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 1:32 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
hr(bob) hofmann@att.net wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> john hamilton wrote
>>> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the lid on the top.
>>> 'Which' magazine recommends the Miele GT263 and for a
>>> hundred pounds less the Zanussi ZFC 321 which comes in at £260.
>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the air inside, after the lid is closed.
>> They actually say it expels the FROST inside, not the air.
>>> With less air trapped the theory is that it
>>> will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>>> Knowing that its just not easy to get an airtight seal, the suspicion
>>> is that it might draw the air out but; it will creep back in again anyway.
>>> Would anyone with experience of the Miele freezer know if its worth
>>> paying the extra £100 for this 'de-frost' feature. In other words does
>>> it work as a means of cutting out defrosting? Thanks for any advice.
> That still doesn't make sense.
It does actually, tho its been dumbed down like with so many sales speils.
> how do they expel the frost, scrape it off and then toss it out somehowwww???
Just replace the new air that has just entered when the lid was opened
with dry air that has been passed over the chiller coils so the frost
doesnt form inside the freezer where it gets deposited on the food etc.
Thats how the frost free system works.
> They might mean a self-defrosting freezer, that would make some sense at least.
They arent self defrosting, they just ensure that the frost never forms inside the freezer,
the air deposits the mosture outside the freezer before it gets into the freezer.
Thats how any frost free system works.
== 9 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 1:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
GregS wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> GregS wrote
>>> Lou Decruss <LouDecruss@biteme.com> wrote
>>>> (Doug Miller) wrote
>>>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1888@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Unless the cellar is deep underground, cellars still will be warmer in
>> summer and colder in winter.
>>>>> Surely you don't mean what you wrote.
>>>> I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder
>>>> why someone would insist on a chest freezer.
>>> MORE efficient.
>> Only trivially. The amount of air involved is trivial.
> Nearly all the air drops out of an upright.
Yes, but thats very little mass, even with an empty freezer.
> The thing is, air has little mass. Its the foods mass which stores
> the absence of heat. But, if you keep opening the door, it matters.
Not really, because even with say 10 door openings, the mass of
air thats lost is trivial compared with the mass of whats in the freezer.
>>> All I know are not self defrosting,
>> Plenty of upright freezers are too.
>>> more efficiency,.
>> Thats a myth.
> Wrong.
Nope.
> The circulation fan is the main cause.
There isnt necessarily any circulation fan at all. None
of my upright freezers have any circulation fan at all.
And even with a fan, that uses very little energy.
> I know by use.
You clearly dont.
> The old refridgerators have less effect on partially closed containers.
Thats just the circulation of the air effect.
Plenty of upright freezers have no circulation fan, none of mine have one.
> Its hard to seal a lot of them.
Its completely trivial to seal them all.
> I think it may have somthing to do with the ziploc bags
> in my freezer expanding. They all fill up with air over time,
Mine dont. I put the meat in the bags when the meat is wet
and the meat sticks to the plastic and they dont expand.
> and I keep letting the air out. IS THIS MAGIC ??
Nope, just evidence that a ziplock isnt a perfect seal.
There are alternatives to ziplock bags.
> Most of what i say about the refridgerator/freezer subject is from direct experiance.
But you dont understand the basics, or even that plenty of upright
freezers have no fans or self defrost either. None of mine have either.
>> Particularly if the freezer is in the kitchen and thats by
>> far the most convenient place to have it, a vertical freezer
>> is much more convenient to use and takes up less floor
>> space and is well worth the trivially lower efficence that
>> you get becaue the air falls out when you open the door.
> The ideal system is a separate freezer and fridge in the kitchen,
Yes, that is what I have, but separate doors isnt that much worse
and has some advantages efficiency wise, two less external surfaces.
> and also a walk in pantry.
I prefer a different approach myself, one wall covered with shelves.
Even very large pull out wheeled shelves a bit like books in a bookshelf has some advantages too.
> One TV show, Chef at Home, has these features with an otherwise normal looking medium sized kitchen. Nice.
I dont care what it looks like, what I care about is how well it works.
> I wish. At least I have 2 microwaves and
> two turbo ovens and a regular oven, there.
Sounds like overkill.
== 10 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 6:34 pm
From: atec7 7 <""atec77\"@ hotmail.com">
Rod Speed wrote:
> Doug Miller wrote
>
>> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
>
> Nope, not one ever burst.
As usual a false claim to gain ground
or your freezer like your brain is faulty
>
>> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of
>> the winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
>
> Nope, not one has ever burst here, and dont when you put them in the freezer either.
>
> The only ones that have ever burst have been in glass containers, what we call stubbys.
another lie
now refute my claim to have cooked eggs on a number plate when out in
the bush
>
>
== 11 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 7:23 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)
In article <86nngdFskkU1@mid.individual.net>, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Doug Miller wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Doug Miller wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Fake ID wrote
>>>>>> Mark Thorson <nospam@sonic.net> wrote
>>>>>>> john hamilton wrote
>
>>>>>>>> The Miela has this feature which is suppose to expel the
>>>>>>>> air inside, after the lid is closed. With less air trapped the
>>>>>>>> theory is that it will not need defrosting as often as normal.
>
>>>>>>> You mean there's a partial vacuum inside?
>>>>>>> Wouldn't that make plastic bags and
>>>>>>> unopened milk cartons burst?
>
>>>>>> Wouldn't the unopened milk cartons burst anyway once the milk froze?
>
>>>>> Nope, its only glass containers that burst when the contents freeze.
>
>>>> Wrong.
>
>>> Nope, I do it quite a bit with milk, basically when defrosting the fridge.
>
>> Fill a cardboard milk carton with water, freeze it, and see what happens.
>
>Like I said, I did that quite a bit when defrosting the fridge, not one ever
> burst.
You're a liar. Either:
a) you never did it at all
b) you didn't actually *fill* the cartons
c) you're lying about them not bursting.
>
>> According to you, it won't burst. But you're wrong.
>
>Nope, not one ever burst.
Liar.
>
>> Leave a six-pack of beer in your car trunk overnight in the middle of
>> the winter. According to you, the cans won't burst. But you're wrong.
>
>Nope, not one has ever burst here, and dont when you put them in the freezer
> either.
You're lying again. You never did it.
>
>The only ones that have ever burst have been in glass containers, what we call
> stubbys.
== 12 of 12 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 7:33 pm
From: Sqwertz
On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 17:20:17 +0100, john hamilton wrote:
> We need to buy a freezer. The *chest* type is what we want with the lid on
> the top.
Why do people prefer chest freezers? Uprights take up less floor
space (you can't stack stuff on top of your chest freezer), and
with a moderately full freezer, you have remove a bunch of stuff
to get what you're looking for - even if you can find it at all.
How may times have we heard the comment "Found xyz in my chest
freezer. I think it's nnn years old.". And then possibly "is it
still good?"
-sw
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 12:14 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On Jun 2, 2:23 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
> > ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it unfathomable
> > how a system like America's, which is not command-control, could
> > have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for everything,
> > there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit together,
>
> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
>
> > leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been designed by the government.
>
> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some president or other is
> responsible for the complete implosion of the entire world financial system etc too.
I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems. The dinosaurs
(SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws, while the bicycles
and alternative transportation struggle with little help from the
designer.
In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
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== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 1:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it unfathomable
>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control, could
>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for everything,
>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit together,
>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been designed by the government.
>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some president or
>> other is responsible for the complete implosion of the entire world
>> financial system etc too.
> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war, Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with little help from the designer.
Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design effort that goes into those.
Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just not possible to
design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of serious injury with a
bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a complete yawn in a car.
> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 3:35 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On Jun 2, 4:27 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
> >>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it unfathomable
> >>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control, could
> >>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for everything,
> >>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit together,
> >> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
> >>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been designed by the government.
> >> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some president or
> >> other is responsible for the complete implosion of the entire world
> >> financial system etc too.
> > I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
> > contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
>
> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war, Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
>
> > American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
>
> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
>
> > The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
>
> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
>
> > while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with little help from the designer.
>
> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design effort that goes into those.
>
> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just not possible to
> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of serious injury with a
> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a complete yawn in a car.
>
> > In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
>
> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would only
prove you wrong, I let you take a peak at life under the revolution
(INTELLIGENT DESIGN)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
"Public transportation should be A1. (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,
offers us a functional model of transportation; bicycle lanes should
be implemented along all major streets.) Our roads, where the Law of
the Jungle rules, should be made safer, say by enforcing passing on
the left only."
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 3:58 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
>>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
>>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it unfathomable
>>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control, could
>>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for everything,
>>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit together,
>>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
>>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been designed by the government.
>>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some president or
>>>> other is responsible for the complete implosion of the entire world
>>>> financial system etc too.
>>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
>>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
>> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war, Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
>>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
>> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
>>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
>> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
>> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
>>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with little help from the designer.
>> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design effort that goes into those.
>> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just not possible to
>> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of serious injury with a
>> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a complete yawn in a car.
>>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
>> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
> Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would only prove you wrong,
Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
> I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
> "Public transportation should be A1.
Only a fool bothers with it.
> (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of transportation;
Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
> bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough to ride a bike.
> Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
> made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike down.
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 5:02 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises"
On Jun 2, 6:58 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>
>
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
> >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
> >>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it unfathomable
> >>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control, could
> >>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for everything,
> >>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit together,
> >>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
> >>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been designed by the government.
> >>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some president or
> >>>> other is responsible for the complete implosion of the entire world
> >>>> financial system etc too.
> >>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
> >>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
> >> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war, Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
> >>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
> >> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
> >>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
> >> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
> >> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
> >>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with little help from the designer.
> >> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design effort that goes into those.
> >> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just not possible to
> >> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of serious injury with a
> >> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a complete yawn in a car.
> >>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
> >> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
> > Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would only prove you wrong,
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
> > I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)...
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
>
> Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
>
> > "Public transportation should be A1.
>
> Only a fool bothers with it.
>
> > (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of transportation;
>
> Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
>
> > bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
>
> Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough to ride a bike.
>
> > Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
> > made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
>
> Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike down.
Cyclists in America earn the Darwin's Award for Stupidity --or
bravery, since the two often go together.
Money is the only thing driving evolution in America.
Of course, 99% of it is wasted.
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 5:50 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 2, 8:02 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 2, 6:58 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>
> > > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> > >> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
> > >>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> > >>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > >>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
> > >>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it unfathomable
> > >>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control, could
> > >>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for everything,
> > >>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit together,
> > >>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
> > >>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been designed by the government.
> > >>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some president or
> > >>>> other is responsible for the complete implosion of the entire world
> > >>>> financial system etc too.
> > >>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
> > >>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
> > >> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war, Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
> > >>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
> > >> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
> > >>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
> > >> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
> > >> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
> > >>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with little help from the designer.
> > >> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design effort that goes into those.
> > >> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just not possible to
> > >> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of serious injury with a
> > >> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a complete yawn in a car.
> > >>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
> > >> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
> > > Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would only prove you wrong,
>
> > Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
> > > I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT DESIGN)...
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
>
> > Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
>
> > > "Public transportation should be A1.
>
> > Only a fool bothers with it.
>
> > > (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of transportation;
>
> > Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
>
> > > bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
>
> > Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough to ride a bike.
>
> > > Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
> > > made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
>
> > Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike down.
>
> Cyclists in America earn the Darwin's Award for Stupidity --or
> bravery, since the two often go together.
>
> Money is the only thing driving evolution in America.
>
> Of course, 99% of it is wasted.
I think James Lerner has turned philosopher like me and has made a
commitment to SIMPLICITY and INTELLIGENT DESIGN...
(This is truly inspiring)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRD3l3rlMpo&NR=1&feature=fvwp
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 5:59 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
>>>>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
>>>>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it unfathomable
>>>>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control, could
>>>>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for everything,
>>>>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit together,
>>>>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
>>>>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been designed by the government.
>>>>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some president
>>>>>> or other is responsible for the complete implosion of the entire
>>>>>> world financial system etc too.
>>>>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
>>>>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
>>>> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war, Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
>>>>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
>>>> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
>>>>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
>>>> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
>>>> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
>>>>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with little help from the designer.
>>>> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design effort that goes into those.
>>>> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just not possible to
>>>> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of serious injury with a
>>>> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a complete yawn in a car.
>>>>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
>>>> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
>>> Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would only prove you wrong,
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>>> I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT
>>> DESIGN)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
>> Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
>>> "Public transportation should be A1.
>> Only a fool bothers with it.
>>> (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of transportation;
>> Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
Because they breed like flys.
>>> bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
>> Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough to ride a bike.
>>> Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
>>> made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
>> Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike down.
> Cyclists in America earn the Darwin's Award for Stupidity
Yep, when they ride in fraffic, anyway.
> --or bravery, since the two often go together.
> Money is the only thing driving evolution in America.
Wrong, as always. Most obviously with fools that ride in traffic.
> Of course, 99% of it is wasted.
Thats all those are good for. Not even good for pet food, too fat.
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 6:01 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> On Jun 2, 8:02 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 2, 6:58 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
>>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>>
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
>>>>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
>>>>>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
>>>>>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it
>>>>>>>> unfathomable
>>>>>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control,
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for
>>>>>>>> everything,
>>>>>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit
>>>>>>>> together,
>>>>>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
>>>>>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been
>>>>>>>> designed by the government.
>>>>>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some
>>>>>>> president or other is responsible for the complete implosion of
>>>>>>> the entire world financial system etc too.
>>>>>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
>>>>>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
>>>>> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war,
>>>>> Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
>>>>>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
>>>>> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
>>>>>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
>>>>> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
>>>>> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
>>>>>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with
>>>>>> little help from the designer.
>>>>> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design
>>>>> effort that goes into those.
>>>>> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just
>>>>> not possible to
>>>>> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of
>>>>> serious injury with a
>>>>> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a
>>>>> complete yawn in a car.
>>>>>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
>>>>> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
>>>> Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would only
>>>> prove you wrong,
>>
>>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>>
>>>> I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT
>>>> DESIGN)... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
>>
>>> Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
>>
>>>> "Public transportation should be A1.
>>
>>> Only a fool bothers with it.
>>
>>>> (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of
>>>> transportation;
>>
>>> Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
>>
>>>> bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
>>
>>> Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough
>>> to ride a bike.
>>
>>>> Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
>>>> made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
>>
>>> Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike
>>> down.
>>
>> Cyclists in America earn the Darwin's Award for Stupidity --or
>> bravery, since the two often go together.
>>
>> Money is the only thing driving evolution in America.
>>
>> Of course, 99% of it is wasted.
> I think
Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
> James Lerner has turned philosopher like me
You're not a philosopher, just another wanker.
> and has made a commitment to SIMPLICITY and INTELLIGENT DESIGN...
> (This is truly inspiring)
Nope.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRD3l3rlMpo&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Just another completely mindless steaming turd/wank.
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 6:07 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"
On Jun 2, 9:01 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
>
>
> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 8:02 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana
> > and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jun 2, 6:58 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
> >>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
>
> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
> >>>>> Quixotic Enterprises wrote
> >>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>>>> Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >>>>>>>> People who have no knowledge of capitalist economics, such as
> >>>>>>>> ones who lived in the Soviet Union, frequently find it
> >>>>>>>> unfathomable
> >>>>>>>> how a system like America's, which is not command-control,
> >>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>> have such an intelligent design. That there is a store for
> >>>>>>>> everything,
> >>>>>>>> there is something for every purse and purpose, and pieces fit
> >>>>>>>> together,
> >>>>>>> Quite poorly at times, most obviously with 'street' people.
> >>>>>>>> leads them to think that all this prosperity must have been
> >>>>>>>> designed by the government.
> >>>>>>> And even in america, plenty of fools believe that some
> >>>>>>> president or other is responsible for the complete implosion of
> >>>>>>> the entire world financial system etc too.
> >>>>>> I don't believe this president is, but the former one surely
> >>>>>> contributed greatly to it by HIDING THE COST OF WAR.
> >>>>> Have fun explaining why hiding the cost of WW2, the cold war,
> >>>>> Korea, Vietnam etc etc etc didnt do that.
> >>>>>> American capitalism is not as spontaneous as it seems.
> >>>>> Corse it is. And thats why it left the USSR etc for dead.
> >>>>>> The dinosaurs (SUVs) have been promoted by loopholes in the laws,
> >>>>> They are popular even where there are completely different laws,
> >>>>> essentially because so many stupid women feel safer in them.
> >>>>>> while the bicycles and alternative transportation struggle with
> >>>>>> little help from the designer.
> >>>>> Thats just plain wrong too. There is in fact plenty of design
> >>>>> effort that goes into those.
> >>>>> Their problem is that some of the fundamental problems are just
> >>>>> not possible to
> >>>>> design around, most obviously with the MUCH higher risk of
> >>>>> serious injury with a
> >>>>> bike with even a very minor accident that would just be a
> >>>>> complete yawn in a car.
> >>>>>> In other words, WE ARE THE PRODUCT OF STUPID DESIGN.
> >>>>> There is no design, we evolved, stupid.
> >>>> Instead of engaging in a long winding discussion, which would only
> >>>> prove you wrong,
>
> >>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.
>
> >>>> I let you take a peak at life under the revolution (INTELLIGENT
> >>>> DESIGN)...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swQTTG3NcYY
>
> >>> Just another completely mindless steaming turd.
>
> >>>> "Public transportation should be A1.
>
> >>> Only a fool bothers with it.
>
> >>>> (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,offers us a functional model of
> >>>> transportation;
>
> >>> Pity Brazil is an economic basket case.
>
> >>>> bicycle lanes should be implemented along all major streets.)
>
> >>> Complete waste of street space given that so few are stupid enough
> >>> to ride a bike.
>
> >>>> Our roads, where the Law of the Jungle rules, should be
> >>>> made safer, say by enforcing passing on the left only."
>
> >>> Makes a lot more sense to run those stupid enough to ride a bike
> >>> down.
>
> >> Cyclists in America earn the Darwin's Award for Stupidity --or
> >> bravery, since the two often go together.
>
> >> Money is the only thing driving evolution in America.
>
> >> Of course, 99% of it is wasted.
> > I think
>
> Not a shred of evidence that you are actually capable of thought.
>
> > James Lerner has turned philosopher like me
>
> You're not a philosopher, just another wanker.
>
> > and has made a commitment to SIMPLICITY and INTELLIGENT DESIGN...
> > (This is truly inspiring)
>
> Nope.
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRD3l3rlMpo&NR=1&feature=fvwp
>
> Just another completely mindless steaming turd/wank.
So what's your solution, wise guy? Do you have any fucking solution to
the oil spills or climate change or the fact that space is denied to
the cyclists?
I don't like wanking for peace, but that's obviously the only escape
for most Americans who want to burn the calories.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 5:57 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <ompomelet-FD38C3.20080627052010@news-
wc.giganews.com>, ompomelet@gmail.com says...
> Take cash and a written list to the grocery store.
> Leave debit cards, credit cards and the checkbook home when you go
> shopping. Stick to the list and don't browse.
OTOH, being flexible about how much to spend that trip can mean
stocking up on whatever item happens to be on sale that week.
It just takes the self-discipline to focus on basic items that
you will eventually need, anyway. Which will save money in the
long-term, by avoiding purchases at regular non-sale prices.
Although certain items at my local supermarket are never on sale,
but are still cheaper than stuff that is. Such as store-brand
baked beans, for example.
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 5:59 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <78858a69-29a2-44f2-af09-
f673f00a5fad@u3g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, BigELilE05@msn.com
says...
> On May 13, 9:44=A0pm, Eric <pag...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What are currently your best saving tips you recommend and also
> > practice, relating
> > to how you make your money go much further than it used to, whether
> > it's for
> > food - weekly living expenses, home and financial investment, etc.
>
> I'm not gonna read the 230+ thread on this subject, but since I live
> alone, I keep my hot water heater turned off up until 30 minutes
> before I need to take a shower.
>
> Also, I live in FL, and my pipes are in the attic.
>
> During the summer, I don't even have to use the HW heater, because I
> get hot water from the pipes being in the attic.
I recall bringing up this kind of idea here in the past, and
someone mentioned the risk of Legionares' Disease growing in the
hot water system, due to lack of sufficient heating to kill it.
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TOPIC: Western women are so repressed because they are insecure
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/221235c3afb6b6c0?hl=en
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Date: Wed, Jun 2 2010 7:27 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)
In <86e2ac01-ce28-40af-aeae-52242f4d1602@q13g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
TibetanMonkey wrote:
>On Jun 1, 8:43 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 2:21 pm, TibetanMonkey wrote:
>>
>> > They push the cyclists to the sidewalks
>>
>> Yah, but some cyclists terrorize peds. Or they don't give a fuck.
>
>I know. And many of them don't give a shit about the revolution
>either, which is the only hope.
>
>I say, "ISSUE TICKETS TO CYCLISTS ON SIDEWALK." They do it here but
>only in the area where the beautiful people live.
What's so bad about issuing tickets to cagers that violate the law in
ways of pushing cyclists onto sidewalks?
(For that matter, also issuing tickets to cyclists as well as all
other vehicle drivers who fail to yield to pedestrians where the the
law says pedestrians rule over vehicles?)
(I hope enough said by me... If there is debate that I have to get
back into, I disclaim responsibility to get back in quicker than a day or
2 or 3...)
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- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
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