Frugal Living: 24 new messages in 10 topics

Sunday, January 20, 2008

24 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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TOPIC: It happened! My pipes froze, they burst today, and my entire bathroom
was FLOODED!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3cfa54c711f046f4?hl=en
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 5:14 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
>
>First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
>lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
>
>Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
>a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
>heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
>insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
>
>Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
>
>Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
>after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.

Thank you for flaming the wrong guy while we try to help someone that
has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 5:53 pm
From: Bernardo Gui

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 17:05:22 -0800 (PST), GeneCook2008@gmail.com
wrote:

>Thanks buddy for the grammar lesson. Just what you want to hear when
>your place is under water.
>
>It is exactly the time in which a person has time to work on typos and
>grammar. Home under water - but grammar is perfect and all typos
>erradicated!
>
>Thanks for being so realistic.
>
>Gene

Well, that was a little rude, but it would have been easier on other
people if you had paid attention in third grade English class.

My question is more about choosing the right newsgroup in which to
post your cry for help. Don't you think that alt.home.repair would
have been a better choice than a group on Frugal Living?

Bernardo

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 6:50 pm
From: swler@live.com

On Jan 21, 1:14 am, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
>
> >First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
> >lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
>
> >Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
> >a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
> >heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
> >insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
>
> >Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
>
> >Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
> >after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
>
> Thank you for flaming the wrong guy while we try to help someone that
> has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.

This is why there are days I wonder if an major outbreak of H5N1 would
really
be that bad. Yes, several to many million people would die, but maybe
the
human race needs a good flush. Somehow I expect people like Mr Grammar
would be in deep dodo. They almost certainly don't have many friends
to help,
and I really doubt if he has the financial assets of the "Blessed Tim
May".

Although given the choice between massive amounts of money coupled
with
Tim's somewhat unorthodox world view and my present financial
situation
with the friends that I have. When it gets grim, you will need more
then
money and grammar to pull through the tough stuff.

I can just hear him at the dispatch end of a 911 call, some poor sod
calls
and gets a unwanted leason in the finer points in English Grammar
while
his desperate need for help gets ignored.

Terry

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 7:12 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:50:56 -0800 (PST), swler@live.com wrote:

>On Jan 21, 1:14 am, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >Your problem is that you have a gmail account.

This from a guy with a hotmail account.

>> Thank you for flaming the wrong guy while we try to help someone that
>> has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.
>
>This is why there are days I wonder if an major outbreak of H5N1 would
>really
>be that bad. Yes, several to many million people would die, but maybe
>the
>human race needs a good flush. Somehow I expect people like Mr Grammar
>would be in deep dodo. They almost certainly don't have many friends
>to help,
>and I really doubt if he has the financial assets of the "Blessed Tim
>May".

You have to wonder what it says about his parents and his upbringing.
The best reflection on them would be if they abandoned him at an
orphanage they knew was run by sadists. If they raised him
themselves, the whole family should be shipped off to the food tanks.

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 7:33 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 18:14:12 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:46:28 -0500, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Your problem is that you have a gmail account.
>>
>>First, it is "plumber," not plummer. Plumb, from the latin "plumb" for
>>lead, which is what plumbers used to use.
>>
>>Secondly, the dripping faucet routine doesn't work. You have to have
>>a certain amount of heat in the water for it to work. Get electric
>>heat tape to place alongside your pipes, then get some foam pipe
>>insulation to cover the pipe and tape.
>>
>>Third, it ain't bursted. A pipe bursts. The past tense is also burst.
>>
>>Yeah, I had some frozen pipes last freeze. I covered them with mulch,
>>after putting heat tape in the most vulnerable spots.
>
>Thank you for flaming the wrong guy while we try to help someone that
>has a problem. It's people like you that makes humanity proud.

Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I gave
is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second guessing.
My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does have an email
account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
salesmen.

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 7:48 pm
From: "none2u"

"Jerry" <Jerry@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:4793e948.25042895@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:59:07 -0800 (PST), GeneCook2008@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>>How I hate that.
>>
>>I have straw outside my crawl space home to warm the pipes. I had
>>water dripping from the faucets so that the pipes don't freeze. I
>>opened the closets underneath the sinks. I had a space heater blowing
>>warm heat at the pipes, nevertheless they FROZE and bursted today.
>>
>>I don't think that I get a plummer before Tuesday.
>>
>>I shut the main water valve off.
>>
>>Now, my question is: As I am living alone, would you shut the main
>>water valve off every day before you go to bed and empty all pipes and
>>open the main water valve the next morning to protect the pipes?
>>
>>Is there anything that speaks against shutting the main water switch
>>off every day?
>>
>>What I am thinking is this: If the plummer is fixing the pipes on
>>Tuesday, it might cost me dearly. Then he goes, the next day, they
>>freeze again up on me, etc. And I have to fix them again, and again,
>>and again, till it is finally spring.
>>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>Gene
>
> I guess you forgot to light the straw, no wonder the pipes got cold.:)
>
> If you are going to shut off the main every day then let your water
> run a little bit when you turn it back on before drinking it, it will
> appear dirty at first. Make sure you turn off your water heater so
> that it doesn't keep running without water coming in, you will destroy
> the heater and possibly start your house on fire.
> >>> Shutting off the main is fine. Like a poster said. You can get crud
> that comes from the inside of the pipes when you turn it back on. Its held
> in there from water pressure. I myself would not drain my water heater.
> Because I have a sink low point to drain water from. I,d leave the water
> in there , and the heater running like normal. It may sit there all night
> and not even run. Then I,d have hot water in the morning. Shutting off any
> water valves sometimes makes them leak because they are old. If it leaks a
> little , and it is open all the way. Retighten the packing nut as
> necessary. Now. if you drain your water heater, shut the gas off. The
> elements / or temp sensors need water on them to not burn up. I doubt you
> will cause a fire. But you could cause your pressure relief to pop , and
> dump water if you have your plumbing lines closed and it makes steam. Its
> not particularly good on the heater too if its rusted or old . It may
> start to leak and need replaced. You like everyone else who has crawl
> spaces have a similar problem. Previous poster suggested heat trace. It is
> an excellent idea. I suggest heat trace inside the fiberglass or foam pipe
> wrap insulation. Along with your straw and your space heater. I'm thinking
> if you heat trace the pipes and wrap it with pipe wrap insulation. And
> tape the insulation seams CORRECTLY.You could drop the space heater and
> save some electricity cost. If money is an issue. Unless you are using
> the space heater to heat your floors. The heat trace can be unplugged when
> its above freezing . Also letting the water drip is not ok. Unless you let
> more water run. { Cost issues again}I suggest letting it turn into a
> solid run. Heat traces last long time. Like Asian chicks. That should do
> it.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 7:50 pm
From: Winston_Smith

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:33:18 -0500, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I gave
>is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second guessing.
>My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
>me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does have an email
>account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
>salesmen.

I suspect most of us have email accounts.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 7:57 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:50:10 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:33:18 -0500, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>>Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I gave
>>is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second guessing.
>>My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
>>me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does have an email
>>account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
>>salesmen.
>
>I suspect most of us have email accounts.

Sort of pisses me off. My granddad had an email account too, I don't
like people insulting his memory. I'm gonna let this slide, but the
pea should watch his step.

--Vic

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 8:16 pm
From: GeneCook2008@gmail.com

On Jan 20, 9:50 pm, Winston_Smith <not_r...@bogus.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:33:18 -0500, hchick...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you.

Next time write "Gene" with a capital "G". It is a name and not genes,
Hickey or Chickey.

> > The advice I gave
> >is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging

It is whining and not whinging. You are a hypocrite. You can't spell
yourself.

> > and second guessing.
> >My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
> >me when dumbasses can't spell it right.

You missed a comma after plumber + and.

I might make typos in a hurry but my second language is better than
your first.

> >And gene does have an email
> >account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
> >salesmen.

What is that supposed to be? I just posted this one posting and didn't
try to sell a thing.
>
> I suspect most of us have email accounts.

The reason I posted here because of an emergency. I figured that some
of you guys would know an advice.

Winston Smith apparently understood that. He provided some useful
advice of the problem.

My first language is NOT English. If I would have written that in my
native language Danish, I would have made no mistake.

But as most of your guys will not speak my language, I posted in
yours.

You really don't mean how it feels to have an emergency and having to
express something in a hurry in another language about a subject you
are not an expert in.

Thanks Winston, for your advice. Thanks to anybody else for any
advice.

As for the rest of you, I will not more come back in this newsgroup.

I might not be a master of the English language, but I am better than
you. I might really need some plumbing education, but I do not need
education as far as manners and character is concerned. That is where
you guys need LOTS and LOTS of education.

Good bye. You are indeed the people who make the Internet so a hateful
and unprofessional place.

I pity you.

Gene

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 8:19 pm
From: Myal

Vic Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:50:10 -0700, Winston_Smith <not_real@bogus.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:33:18 -0500, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Stuff it. You know I was talking to gene, not you. The advice I gave
>>> is from experience, not armchair usenet whinging and second guessing.
>>> My grandfather was a professional plumber and it happens to irritate
>>> me when dumbasses can't spell it right. And gene does have an email
>>> account, which in this group classifies him with the spammers and shoe
>>> salesmen.
>> I suspect most of us have email accounts.
>
>
> Sort of pisses me off. My granddad had an email account too, I don't
> like people insulting his memory. I'm gonna let this slide, but the
> pea should watch his step.
>
> --Vic

you are such a man

your grandpop was a plumber , so was and so are a hell of a lot of other
folk ...

and you decided to let it slide that someone mis-spelled plummer ...

WHOOOO HOOOO I never seen such a manly gesture in all my life before

what WERE you going to do to him tho , for his spelling mistake hmmm ?

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TOPIC: Best cheap LED flashlight single AA
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 5:10 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

Netsearch for "Infinity CMG" if memory serves. They make a LED light, single
LED and takes one AA cell. Also, a couple years ago I got a couple lights
with 12 LED, runs on a single AA cell. Runs about three hours.

What's odd -- the single LED Dorcy on single AAA runs about three hours, and
the 12 LED light from ebay runs about three hours. They are nearly equal
light output. Wish I'd known, I would have bought the Walmart ones. Lighter,
and much easier to carry.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:13orav9ikikdp14@corp.supernews.com...

I've never seen the AA model. How they get it to run on one cell amazes
me. Where'd you get your AA model? Although I love the small size and
design of the AAA, they are in aluminum housings available in different
colors, a AA should have 2 1/2 times the capacity.

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TOPIC: CONGRATULATIONS, ALL VIEWING THIS POST HAVE BEEN SELECTED.......
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 5:11 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I was hoping for Viagra without a prescription.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:Spvkj.6625$M24.1780@newsfe17.lga...

Cool. Out of millions of people, I was selected. I'm thrilled.

Do you have any cheap shoes or knock-off watches?

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TOPIC: $8,000 Later - 5 Steps To Financial Freedom
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 5:06 pm
From: "Stormin Mormon"

I'd be so heartbroken!

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:RrIjj.33379$Ft5.2051@newsfe15.lga...
Al Bundy wrote:

>On Jan 15, 4:32 pm, "ThomasConsultin...@gmail.com"
><ThomasConsultin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>If I died tomorrow, I would want you to know this.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>Warmest Regards and Win eM All
>>
>>
>What if you died yesterday instead?
>
>
>
Then you wouldn't have recieved his spam and you'd be cold by now.

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TOPIC: Soldering eyeglass Frames
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 5:57 pm
From: Marsha

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> "Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:fmvp8i$rkl$2@news.datemas.de...
.>>When my mother's frames broke, the first shop we went to said they
didn't
>>have frames to fit her lenses, but they could do both frames and lenses.
>>When I said we go someplace else, it was amazing how fast they found a
>>pair of frames that fit.
>>
>>Marsha/Ohio
>
>
> There are too many factors to be able to argue the point. For instance, if
> the lens is small, and it's a bifocal prescription, trimming it might remove
> too much of one of the focal "zones". It all depends....
>

I understand that it's not easy to fit frames on lenses, but just the
fact that they said they didn't have frames to fit, without even
looking, and then miraculously finding them AFTER we said we going
elsewhere was a little suspicious to me.

Marsha/Ohio

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 6:31 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

Edwin Pawlowski writes:

> Have you priced prescription glasses recently?

Yep. Get them mailed here from offshore places like

http://www.zennioptical.com/ where they do a first-class job.

You're a sucker to pay the hometown optician racket any more.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 6:33 pm
From: Richard J Kinch

Ivan Vegvary writes:

> Fortunately, I need only reading glasses and have never paid more than 3
> pairs for $19.95!

Huh. I never pay more than $1/each at the dollar store.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 7:27 pm
From: "John Keiser"

When the thin tubual metal temples broke on my [Zenni Optical] glasses,
squeezed the ends into a short length of insulation from 12 gauge wire.
Worked well for many months and didn't look too bad. Eventually Zenni sent
a replacement.
--
Remove -NOSPAM- to contact me.

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TOPIC: Boo-hoo for bloodsucking retailers
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 6:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some stupid pig ignorant racecourse bum claiming to be
William Souden <souden@nospam.com> desperately
attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament
and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

No surprise that its a racecourse bum.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 8:54 pm
From: Logan Shaw

Jeff wrote:
> A lot of people don't understand just how rotten the underpinnings of
> the economy have become.
>
> The value of the dollar has fallen by nearly half in the last 7
> years. The credit markets are a mess, no one knows the amount of risk in
> the debt. And the economy is kept sputtering along by cheap money and debt.
>
> The DJIA closed at 12,100 friday and when "W"onder President was
> inaugurated it was 10,700. 1 1/2 % a year, and that is the group that
> has gotten the top deal.

I'm not fond of the current US President. I voted for the other guy
both times. And I think that GW has done a lot damage, possibly
permanent damage, to the Bill of Rights.

But let's not lose sight of the relevant facts. When Bush took
office, possibly the biggest stock market bubble in US history
was bursting. Stocks had been falling like a lead balloon for
quite some time before he was even elected. And the rate at which
they fell was getting worse and worse as time went on.

Go take a look at this historical chart of the S&P 500:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=%5EGSPC&t=my&l=on&z=l&q=l&c=

The overall shape you're going to see is a relatively smooth,
straight line going gradually upwards. Starting in about 1985,
the market just goes steadily up. Then in 1995, it veers off
course and the value goes up like crazy. Then it drops, and
eventually the correction finishes in about 2003. At that point,
it resumes following the exact same line that it had followed
before that.

My point is that you're comparing a point near the peak of the
Internet boom with a point that fits in much better with the
longer term picture. Sure, right now there is a lot of worry,
and the economy has problems, but when you take a wider view
(literally -- when you scale the graph out to show more years),
it looks like the point we're at now is less of an outlier than
when Bush took office.

So yeah, maybe the market only went up 1.5% per year during the
time Bush was in office. But maybe that was the *right* *amount*
for it to have gone up in that time considering how over-inflated
it was when he got there.

- Logan

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TOPIC: Where housing still booms big
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 6:42 pm
From: Snowbound

While Bush and his Republican cronies blithely turn the U.S. into a
third world nation with a third-rate economy, Mexico's housing market is
booming like never before. So much so, that giant investors like
CalPERS, the huge California Public Employees Retirement System, is
funding over $300 million in new construction projects there.

The change is so pronounced and so massive with ever-greater numbers of
middle-income Mexicans buying their own homes, that while U.S. political
and economic factions bicker and spar spitefully, Mexico is leading
latin America in increased economic stability and becoming a haven for
investors seeking escape from the declining U.S. economy.

Housing starts and loans are reaching record levels in Mexico, opening
lucrative jobs once reserved for illegal immigrants in the United
States. Thus, this could signal a slowdown or even a reversal in the
flow of immigrants from Mexico seeking ill-paid work and receiving
racist-propelled hatred in El Norte. After all, why mow lawns for
peanuts and get spit upon in a foreign land when you can earn carpenter
wages in your own nation?

It's been said quite truthfully that the best revenge is living well.
The Mexicans seem well on their way toward proving that point.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 7:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Snowbound <loosebowels@ixnay.invalid> wrote:

> While Bush and his Republican cronies blithely turn the U.S. into a third world nation

You wouldnt know what a real third world country was if it bit you on your lard arse.

> with a third-rate economy,

You wouldnt know what a real third-rate economy was if it bit you on your lard arse.

> Mexico's housing market is booming like never before.

You're always welcome to fuck off there any time you like if it wasnt for your criminal record.

> So much so, that giant investors like CalPERS, the huge
> California Public Employees Retirement System, is funding
> over $300 million in new construction projects there.

Thats peanuts.

> The change is so pronounced and so massive with ever-greater
> numbers of middle-income Mexicans buying their own homes,

Same thing is happening in every country, stupid.

> that while U.S. political and economic factions bicker and spar spitefully,
> Mexico is leading latin America in increased economic stability

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

> and becoming a haven for investors seeking
> escape from the declining U.S. economy.

And Mexico will suffer when the US economy slows, you watch.

> Housing starts and loans are reaching record levels in Mexico,
> opening lucrative jobs once reserved for illegal immigrants in the
> United States. Thus, this could signal a slowdown or even a
> reversal in the flow of immigrants from Mexico seeking ill-paid work

Bet it wont. They breed like flys, stupid.

> and receiving racist-propelled hatred in El Norte. After all,
> why mow lawns for peanuts and get spit upon in a foreign
> land when you can earn carpenter wages in your own nation?

Because fuck all of them can do that, stupid.

> It's been said quite truthfully that the best revenge is living well.
> The Mexicans seem well on their way toward proving that point.

Nope, you watch.

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TOPIC: About Kerala
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 6:49 pm
From: Jayu

Hi,
I have created a web page describing the people and life of Kerala.
Please feel free to visit this at www.101malayalamhits.com .
Thanks and regards,
Jayu

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TOPIC: Why we don't need Mexicans
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 6:57 pm
From: Snowbound

In article <HVJkj.7164$k15.6659@trnddc06>,
"Bill DeFranzo" <defranzo@verizon.net> wrote:

> Isn't this how ancient Rome balanced its books or raised money for war? They
> simply taxed the rich land owners. In some cases killing them and
> confiscating their wealth outright.

I think you are mistaking ancient Rome for the Pol Pot regime, Castro's
Cuba or Stalin's USSR. Or perhaps you wish to compare ancient Rome with
these regimes?

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TOPIC: Los Angeles Movers California Moving Company
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Date: Sun, Jan 20 2008 8:20 pm
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Packing

You have many options when it comes to packing ... you can do it
yourself or let World Moving & Storage' professional packers give you
a hand. Or, create a customized plan where you start the process and
we help with the fragile items. Here are some choices:

Full Service Packing: You can supervise ... but we'll do the work. We'll
pack everything in your household, big and small.
Fragile Only Packing: We've spent years perfecting our packing
techniques, so you might consider letting us protect your fragile
items. We can create a custom packing plan based on these items.
Self Pack: For the do-it-yourselfer, you take the lead on all the
packing ... but we can still provide a helping hand. We have lots of
packing tips we can share with you and can arrange for all the packing
materials you'll need.

Packing Materials

Your possessions come in a variety of unique shapes and weights.
That's why World Moving & Storage has a wide variety of specialty
materials to pack them in.

Standard boxes from 1.5 to 6 cubic feet
Wardrobe boxes
Mirror boxes: Extra protection for moving mirrors, pictures, and glass
tabletops
Mattress boxes in all sizes
Dishpack barrels: Sturdy packaging for moving your china and dishware,
including built-in dividers for extra protection.
Stretchwrap for furniture, to protect it from snags, tears, and dirt.

Loading and Unloading

Moving your valuables out of your previous home and into your new home
can be tricky. Luckily, we're prepared for it.

Disassembly/Assembly: From entertainment centers to beds to swing
sets, just tell us what needs to be disassembled and moved with you.
We'll even put it back together again at your destination.
Residence Protection Pads: Protect the railings, tight corners, and
doors.
Carpet Covers: Keep high traffic areas clean while moving.
Systematic Loading: Boxes are labeled and inventoried based on rooms
and your needs upon arrival.
Systematic Unloading: We move your belongings into the rooms you want
them in, just point the way.
Unpacking: Say the word and we'll take care of it.
Debris Removal: Our movers can take away all the empty containers
after unpacking.

Storage

Not moving into your home right away? We can provide moving storage
for you in a climate-controlled environment at a reasonable price.

Installation & Assembly Services

We can arrange for appliances to be connected, hot tubs to be
assembled, or additional cleaning services.

Pricing With No Surprises

We can help take the guesswork out of how much your move will cost by
providing a written estimate, for all services pertaining to your
shipment. Ask your Relocation Specialist about the best option for
you.

Bottom Line Pricing: Your total charge guaranteed price, based on your
estimate.
Not-To-Exceed Pricing: Your cost could come under the estimate, but
will not go beyond it.
Customized Pricing: A combination of guaranteed and separate service
costs is also available.
For moves in the United States we accept most major credit cards visa
mastercard, allowing you to use all the moving services you'll need.

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