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* The LIFE of a TracFone? - 6 messages, 5 authors
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* Have you had a gas furnace installed in past 5 years? Need feedbackplease....
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TOPIC: CVS Pharmacist calls customer a "Fucking AIDS freak"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 5:41 pm
From: Dick Cheney
In article <48de69f0.9018711@amsterdam.newsgroups-download.com>,
ezekielk@qwickconnect.net (Chief Thracian) wrote:
> >Bisexuality is an ACTIVITY.
>
> So is homosexuality. So is heterosexuality. So is masturbation.
Hey! I resemble that remark!
Heh-heh-heh
Sincerely,
The President and Cummander In Cheef (get it? heh-heh-heh)
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TOPIC: The LIFE of a TracFone?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 6:31 pm
From: joshhemming@fastmail.fm
I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
home since I have a landline.
I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
My question is how long can you reasonably expect a cell phone to
last, if you're careful not to drop it or let it get stolen? How long
before the rechargeable battery stops taking or holding a charge?
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 8:01 pm
From: "Forrest"
<joshhemming@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:aa58aa60-1fee-4d0d-b5d2-5376bdce3a63@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
> and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
> phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
> bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
> minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
> packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
> when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
> home since I have a landline.
>
> I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
> minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
> that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
> minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
> download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
> the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
>
> My question is how long can you reasonably expect a cell phone to
> last, if you're careful not to drop it or let it get stolen? How long
> before the rechargeable battery stops taking or holding a charge?
My wife, son and I have been using TracFone for about six or seven years. As
you said, it's a great deal for a person that doesn't use a cell phone much.
My wife and I don't. Our son, on the other hand is always out of minutes.
He'll sit at his computer and talk on the cell phone with the land line
right next to him, which is free. Whatever ...
We have each had at least four or five different phones. They keep coming up
with deals that include a free phone. I have a whole drawer full of them. I
think the one that I used for over a year, a Motorola, got to where it
didn't hold a charge very well. The last phone that I got came free with the
purchase of a one year card. The card was 400 minutes and one year service
for about $95. The phone was a double minutes for life and even got free
shipping. I'm using the phone but haven't needed to cash in the card yet. I
don't want to do that until I need to. The rub is that if you loose or break
the phone, you will lose the minutes on it. The unused minutes roll over. I
have over a thousand on it. When you get a new phone and have the old one,
you call Radii, in Pakistan or India or where ever and go through a whole
bunch of crap punching in codes and get the minutes transferred to the new
one.
Speaking of phones, I noticed that our home land line was getting sky high.
I called and said, "before I have this thing disconnected, is there anything
that can be trimmed on our plan"? I found out that we have been paying about
$15 a month just to have "long distance access". Hell, I never use it and if
I needed to I could use the cell phone. I had that removed and got the
measured rate for local. That saved even more. I sent away for a "MagicJack"
that plugs into the computer. It works OK. You get all you can eat of local
and long distance. It was only $40 and you get a year's use out of it and
then $20 a year after that.
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 8:49 pm
From: phil scott
On Sep 27, 6:31 pm, joshhemm...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
> and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
> phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
> bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
> minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
> packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
> when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
> home since I have a landline.
>
> I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
> minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
> that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
> minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
> download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
> the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
>
> My question is how long can you reasonably expect a cell phone to
> last, if you're careful not to drop it or let it get stolen? How long
> before the rechargeable battery stops taking or holding a charge?
the phone company would have both your minutes used and your payment
on record,
my guess they give you a new phone or you pay a small charge to get
another one.
check with them.
thanks for the tip, I live on the road in a motorhome, and want to
dump my second cell phone and just
use one for the broadband connection... a back up such as you have
would allow me coverage in the
event I the other ones has a glitch. a lot cheaper than the 700
dollars a year I pay for the second phone I have now.
Phil scott
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 10:53 pm
From: Zuke
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, joshhemming@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
> and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
> phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
> bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
> minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
> packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
> when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
> home since I have a landline.
>
> I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
> minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
> that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
> minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
> download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
> the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
>
This just happened with my tracfone. I went out and bought a new
one for $14.99 at Meijers and the minutes transferred over from
the old one. I also received an extra 2 months service and 1000 minutes
with the new phone. I did the transfer myself on-line. One thing
you should keep handy is your old phone's IDs. I was worried as
you are about losing the minutes in my old phone but they transferred
easily.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 11:27 pm
From: "Forrest"
"Zuke" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:Pine.OSX.4.64.0809280149440.20770@ucfs1.ucfs-public.net...
> On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, joshhemming@fastmail.fm wrote:
>
>> I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
>> and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
>> phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
>> bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
>> minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
>> packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
>> when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
>> home since I have a landline.
>>
>> I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
>> minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
>> that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
>> minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
>> download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
>> the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
>>
>
> This just happened with my tracfone. I went out and bought a new
> one for $14.99 at Meijers and the minutes transferred over from
> the old one. I also received an extra 2 months service and 1000 minutes
> with the new phone. I did the transfer myself on-line. One thing
> you should keep handy is your old phone's IDs. I was worried as
> you are about losing the minutes in my old phone but they transferred
> easily.
Was your old phone still functional or just battery not holding a charge
well? I have never done the transfer on-line. I didn't know you could. I
know that you can add air time and activate cards on-line. So, if you know
the phone's ID# etc, then you can transfer even if, say you dropped it in
the bath tub and it doesn't work, or you lose it?
I think your thousand minutes above must be a typo. You probably meant 10
minutes.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 11:34 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
joshhemming@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I started using TracFone prepaid cellular service back in the Spring
> and, although it's not the a good deal for people who use their cell
> phones a A LOT, it's working out well for me. For just over a hundred
> bucks, they gave me a reconditioned phone, one year of airtime and 400
> minutes. The phone looked brand new to me, and was sealed in factory
> packaging. I have no complaints about it. It's great for short calls
> when I'm traveling, but at 20 cents a minute I seldom use it here at
> home since I have a landline.
>
> I've noticed that some of their deals for buying more airtime &
> minutes state "Double Minutes for the life of your phone." I assume
> that means if I pay $140.00 for their deal of a year's airtime, 800
> minutes and double minutes on any card I buy in the future, and
> download the minutes into my TracFone and damned thing goes belly-up
> the next day, I've just wasted $140.00.
> My question is how long can you reasonably expect a cell
> phone to last, if you're careful not to drop it or let it get stolen?
Forever.
> How long before the rechargeable battery stops taking or holding a charge?
You should get a good year or two with the original phone manufacturer's battery.
And popular phones like Nokias use the same battery on lots
of models, so they cost peanuts to replace when they do die.
Can be a lot harder to find replacement batterys with some
other brands which have a unique battery for each model etc.
If you dont recieve calls on it much but mostly just make them, you can
turn it off when not making a call and extend the battery life tremendously.
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TOPIC: Earplugs
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 7:29 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov
Anyone wear earplugs?
I was at a social event the other day, one with a live band, where not
only could I not hear what anyone was saying but after a while each
note of the band was like someone plunging a file into the nerve of a
tooth without anesthesia. According to the "experts" man has the
innate ability to distinguish between sounds and the example given is
speech and music in circumstances similar to those I describe. Well, I
must have been behind the door when those genes were handed out.
One has to live with what one has and since I'm not likely to be able
to have all live music banned, I guess I have to take measures to
modify myself to eliminate the horrors. The logical thing seems to be
earplugs, which if the promotional blah blah is correct apparently
only cut out the loud noises. You should then be able to eliminate the
music and actually hear the guy next to you. Is that correct? I'd
settle for just eliminating the noise including the guy next to you.
However the big thing in my view doesn't seem to be addressed
anywhere: When I was just a little 'un my mommie told me never ever to
put anything in my ear! If I did, not only would I go deaf, but I'd
never get it out and satan would carry me off to hell the next day.
(OK, I made up the bit about satan...) In checking out Google no one
seems to be the slightest bit concerned you're stuffing some foam into
your ear. No one worries that it could go in too far. No one is
concerned that the plug might break off inside. No one gives advice on
how to extract the sucked-in-too-far plug (tweezers? ice pick? propane
torch? major surgery?).
I'm missing something here. Maybe Qtips are guaranteed to bust an
eardrum but earplugs are exempt? Could someone who uses earplugs
address my concerns.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 8:24 pm
From: "Forrest"
<NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov> wrote in message
news:e7qtd4t7vq5b4g3faesou06s5r4tta4ncm@4ax.com...
> Anyone wear earplugs?
>
> I was at a social event the other day, one with a live band, where not
> only could I not hear what anyone was saying but after a while each
> note of the band was like someone plunging a file into the nerve of a
> tooth without anesthesia. According to the "experts" man has the
> innate ability to distinguish between sounds and the example given is
> speech and music in circumstances similar to those I describe. Well, I
> must have been behind the door when those genes were handed out.
>
> One has to live with what one has and since I'm not likely to be able
> to have all live music banned, I guess I have to take measures to
> modify myself to eliminate the horrors. The logical thing seems to be
> earplugs, which if the promotional blah blah is correct apparently
> only cut out the loud noises. You should then be able to eliminate the
> music and actually hear the guy next to you. Is that correct? I'd
> settle for just eliminating the noise including the guy next to you.
>
> However the big thing in my view doesn't seem to be addressed
> anywhere: When I was just a little 'un my mommie told me never ever to
> put anything in my ear! If I did, not only would I go deaf, but I'd
> never get it out and satan would carry me off to hell the next day.
> (OK, I made up the bit about satan...) In checking out Google no one
> seems to be the slightest bit concerned you're stuffing some foam into
> your ear. No one worries that it could go in too far. No one is
> concerned that the plug might break off inside. No one gives advice on
> how to extract the sucked-in-too-far plug (tweezers? ice pick? propane
> torch? major surgery?).
>
> I'm missing something here. Maybe Qtips are guaranteed to bust an
> eardrum but earplugs are exempt? Could someone who uses earplugs
> address my concerns.
I feel your pain. The house behind ours has been under construction for
about three years. They added a huge garage and another story to it. The
asshole that owns it is trying to do as much of the work himself as he can
and it just drags on and on. He is a jerk! He has his ghetto blaster on all
day every day on a rock station and cranked up. I have tried ear plugs but
they don't seem to help much. I have the foam ones that you roll and try to
slide into the ear canal as fast as you can before they expand too much.
That's hard to do. I don't think it would be possible to get them in too
far. I guess if you did manage to do it, a cork screw would probably get
them out rather easily.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 11:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov wrote:
> Anyone wear earplugs?
>
> I was at a social event the other day, one with a live band, where not
> only could I not hear what anyone was saying but after a while each
> note of the band was like someone plunging a file into the nerve of a
> tooth without anesthesia. According to the "experts" man has the
> innate ability to distinguish between sounds and the example given is
> speech and music in circumstances similar to those I describe. Well, I
> must have been behind the door when those genes were handed out.
>
> One has to live with what one has and since I'm not likely to be able
> to have all live music banned, I guess I have to take measures to
> modify myself to eliminate the horrors. The logical thing seems to be
> earplugs, which if the promotional blah blah is correct apparently
> only cut out the loud noises. You should then be able to eliminate the
> music and actually hear the guy next to you. Is that correct? I'd
> settle for just eliminating the noise including the guy next to you.
>
> However the big thing in my view doesn't seem to be addressed
> anywhere: When I was just a little 'un my mommie told me never ever to
> put anything in my ear! If I did, not only would I go deaf, but I'd
> never get it out and satan would carry me off to hell the next day.
> (OK, I made up the bit about satan...) In checking out Google no one
> seems to be the slightest bit concerned you're stuffing some foam into
> your ear. No one worries that it could go in too far. No one is
> concerned that the plug might break off inside. No one gives advice on
> how to extract the sucked-in-too-far plug (tweezers? ice pick? propane
> torch? major surgery?).
> I'm missing something here.
Yep.
> Maybe Qtips are guaranteed to bust an eardrum but earplugs are exempt?
Yep, as long as you dont ram them in with a stick or close.
> Could someone who uses earplugs address my concerns.
They dont break up in your ear.
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Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 7:48 pm
From: madhurimaniknepal
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TOPIC: Have you had a gas furnace installed in past 5 years? Need
feedbackplease....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 9:02 pm
From: phil scott
On Sep 27, 11:28 am, "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
> Had gas (propane) furnace replaced about a year ago. 80% efficient
> (couldn't afford to go much higher) total coast - including installation
> and removal of old furnace - was $1618.18 which included all labor and
> taxes. Will be having the installer come next month to check things out and
> replace filters (difficult for me as I am disabled).
>
> Old furnace had issues with the burners (safety issues) and was so old
> replacements couldn't be found (even universal burners were not available).
> Same furnace as when I moved here in 1981.
>
> In live in northern New York state.
>
> First time in years I have not been shivering under the covers at night.
>
> As for the cost of fuel (propane) have price locked in for the season with a
> payment up front and monthly payments for 10 months.
>
> JonquilJan
>
> Learn something new every day
> As long as you are learning, you are living
> When you stop learning, you start dying
Im in the business... cheapest is you go to WW Grainger and get an
80%- 87% effiicient furnace (those are simple and repairable)
for about $600 dollars and simply set it in place of the old one.
what you need to know is: is it up-draft or down draft... (blows up
or down) get the same configuration in a new one, it should be a
little smaller than the old one... once its in place you will have a
gap to flll on the top or bottom with a sheet metal spacer... measure
that up, go to your local sheet metal shop and have them make you one
for 50 dollars or so... that should save you at least $1,000 maybe
$2,000 or more on the install. Make sure you connect the flue
properly, thats not difficult, directions will be included in the
furnace. home depot will have any pieces you need.
***
Next get a matress warmer, then a programmable thermostat... have
night set back at 50F or cooler, but not below 40F or so.. to avoid
condensation. then use the mattress warmer. maybe put a small
electric heater in the bedrooms also, safe oil filled or quatz type.
that will cut your heat ing costs dramatically... my guess you can get
it under 100 dollars a month, esp of you wear a sweater in the living
room and a space heater on your feet while sitting... you could cut
heating cost 50 dollars a month in the milder months.
Phil scott
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 9:05 pm
From: phil scott
On Sep 27, 9:02 pm, phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote:
> On Sep 27, 11:28 am, "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Had gas (propane) furnace replaced about a year ago. 80% efficient
> > (couldn't afford to go much higher) total coast - including installation
> > and removal of old furnace - was $1618.18 which included all labor and
> > taxes. Will be having the installer come next month to check things out and
> > replace filters (difficult for me as I am disabled).
>
> > Old furnace had issues with the burners (safety issues) and was so old
> > replacements couldn't be found (even universal burners were not available).
> > Same furnace as when I moved here in 1981.
>
> > In live in northern New York state.
>
> > First time in years I have not been shivering under the covers at night.
>
> > As for the cost of fuel (propane) have price locked in for the season with a
> > payment up front and monthly payments for 10 months.
>
> > JonquilJan
>
> > Learn something new every day
> > As long as you are learning, you are living
> > When you stop learning, you start dying
>
> Im in the business... cheapest is you go to WW Grainger and get an
> 80%- 87% effiicient furnace (those are simple and repairable)
> for about $600 dollars and simply set it in place of the old one.
> what you need to know is: is it up-draft or down draft... (blows up
> or down) get the same configuration in a new one, it should be a
> little smaller than the old one... once its in place you will have a
> gap to flll on the top or bottom with a sheet metal spacer... measure
> that up, go to your local sheet metal shop and have them make you one
> for 50 dollars or so... that should save you at least $1,000 maybe
> $2,000 or more on the install. Make sure you connect the flue
> properly, thats not difficult, directions will be included in the
> furnace. home depot will have any pieces you need.
>
> ***
> Next get a matress warmer, then a programmable thermostat... have
> night set back at 50F or cooler, but not below 40F or so.. to avoid
> condensation. then use the mattress warmer. maybe put a small
> electric heater in the bedrooms also, safe oil filled or quatz type.
>
> that will cut your heat ing costs dramatically... my guess you can get
> it under 100 dollars a month, esp of you wear a sweater in the living
> room and a space heater on your feet while sitting... you could cut
> heating cost 50 dollars a month in the milder months.
>
> Phil scott- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ps the old one will have a lable inside that says iinput... 100,000
btu/hr or whatever
get the new one with the same input rating,.. or one notch smaller
since the new ones
are more efficient.
If you want to be ultra safe, hire a mechanical contractor to inspect
your installation when its done, or
call the gas company, they will often do it free.
Phil scott
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TOPIC: "No Amnesty for Illegal Aliens or Wall Street Gangsters!"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Sep 27 2008 9:09 pm
From: phil scott
On Sep 27, 2:07 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 18:12:50 -0700 (PDT),
>
>
>
>
>
> "GeorgeWashingtonAdmi...@adelphia.com" <guybanniste...@aol.com> wrote:
> >No Amnesty for Illegal Aliens or Wall Street Gangsters!
>
> >by William Gheen
> >President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
> >www.alipac.us
>
> >For several years, I have warned of the coming illegal immigration
> >great depression and pointed out that George Bush is the new Hoover!
>
> >The financial Global elites have been flooding America with illegal
> >aliens to try and prop up housing, debt, tax, and consumer markets as
> >Americans are forced down on their knees economically and
> >politically.
>
> >The same toxic political combination of corporate greed and liberal
> >social policy that is responsible for the non-enforcement of our
> >existing immigration laws is the same culprit responsible for the new
> >depression we face. Even their methods of creating this disaster are
> >the same. While our government is further removed from citizen
> >control, liberals have pushed for more financing and programs for
> >those they see as disadvantaged, while corporate elites use their
> >influence to break our immigration system.
>
> >Illegal aliens flood the border each night, past brave Border Patrol
> >agents who are ordered to catch and release, while immigration
> >enforcers in the interior engage in token enforcement for political
> >showmanship.
>
> >It should be clear to all Americans now that corporate robber barons
> >and small armies of their corrupt minions have been breaking through
> >financial borders and avoiding many laws, without fear of enforcement
> >as well.
>
> >Now, we are being told that our market and big business regulatory
> >systems are "broken" and we will need a multi-trillion dollar bailout
> >AMNESTY for Wall Street law breakers as part of any Comprehensive
> >Economic Reform!
>
> >Sound familiar?
>
> >Let's face the truth and respond accordingly. The same political
> >sellouts in Washington, DC who have been giving big business and
> >liberal social agendas anything they want have been doing the same
> >behind the scenes by removing most of the laws and regulation
> >management on that level as well.
>
> >Over the last ten years they have removed or ignored most of the
> >regulations that were put in place to assure another great depression
> >never happened again.
>
> >Now that the end game appears before us, they are desperate for more
> >power and money to delay the inevitable and to assure that your
> >average American citizen takes on most of the burden!
>
> >After 9/11, Americans rewarded those who failed us with more power and
> >money, while standing by like docile sheep allowing the shepherds to
> >do what they said was needed. By setting this example of more money
> >and power for failure, we again face the same scenario.
>
> >If you stand by apathetically and watch the Bush administration
> >establish a new level of unprecedented power for the Executive Branch
> >this week, while raiding you, your nation, and your grand children of
> >Billions because of an announced crisis, then you are practicing the
> >same sucker mentality that got us deeper into this mess.
>
> >I am not subscribing to any conspiracy theories about 9/11 when I say
> >that it should be clear to all, that American government and corporate
> >insiders have now accomplished what Osama Bin Laden intended to do to
> >the American economy.
>
> >So, we have a President with approval ratings in the low 20
> >percentiles rushing out to ask a Congress with a 9% approval rating to
> >give them unprecedented powers, amnesty from oversight and court
> >prosecutions, and another 700 Billion dollars guaranteed by the
> >taxpayers and the full force of the American government to extract
> >that money and interest from us all.
>
> >They say the power and funds must be delivered within days to avoid a
> >global economic meltdown that will have dire consequences for us all.
>
> >Anyone notice that they are not fully saying what these terrible
> >consequences will be, if we do not empty our pockets at gunpoint?
>
> >It shames me to think that there are many Americans left in our nation
> >who believe a word of what comes out of the mouths of any of these
> >traitors in the Bush administration. Politicians in Washington, DC are
> >fearful of losing their jobs if the true economic consequences
> >manifest BEFORE election day, instead of after, and thus the
> >politicians give the appearance of doing something huge.
>
> >Are we on the verge of establishing another psychological precedent
> >that tells big business and politicians that failure will be rewarded
> >with more money and power? If so, how can I get into the business of
> >failing you? It appears to be very lucrative.
>
> >We should all oppose this bailout and fight it by ringing the phones
> >off the hook in DC like we did against the McCain Kennedy Amnesty
> >bills.
>
> >First, there is no assurance or even likelihood that this
> >unprecedented bailout and amnesty for Wall Street traders will work.
>
> >They have already thrown hundreds of billions of dollars of your money
> >into bailouts for Barons, Fannie Mack, Fanny May, and AIG. The 700B
> >more they claim they need this week is probably what they estimate is
> >needed to prevent the collapse till after Nov 4, 2008 which is
> >election day.
>
> >Second, do you understand the scale of this financial looting of the
> >American government's finances? With hundreds of billion already
> >deployed without congressional or public approval, the next 700B takes
> >you to 1 Trillion dollars for starters.
>
> >Since the requested bailout bill would establish unprecedented powers
> >for the Executive Branch to keep borrowing large sums, many analysts
> >believe that the true costs could range between 1 to 5.5 Trillion
> >dollars of your money!
>
> >Look at how 1 Trillion compares to other major expenditures in
> >America's modern history.
>
> >Adjusted values into 2008 dollars
>
> >Minimum 2008 Bailout: 1 Trillion Dollars
>
> >Vietnam War: $596,200,000,000.00 (596.2 Billion)
> >Korean War: $405,200,000,000.00 (405.2 Billion)
> >World War 1 (US Costs) 328,292,421,030 (328.3 Billion)
> >Space Shuttle Program: (162.6 Billion)
> >Apollo Space Program: 151,400,000,000.00 (151.4 Billion)
>
> >Will you sit silent as the Bush administration tries to reallocate
> >your future into the hands of Wall Street on a scale almost three
> >times the cost of WW1 or six times the cost of the Apollo Space
> >Program?
>
> >Three, look at the devils in the details of what the Bush
> >administration is asking Congress to sign off on by Thursday of this
> >week!
>
> >They want the power to designate private financial companies and banks
> >"as financial agents of the Government, and they shall perform all
> >such reasonable duties related to this Act as financial agents of the
> >Government as may be required of them" (Sect. 2-B-3).
>
> >Upon passage of this legislation, going to the bank will be similar to
> >going to the DMV, tax offices, or any government agency. The banks
> >will be more under the control of the Executive Branch and inversely
> >your bankers will be your government.
>
> >Your bailout will also include bailout funds for foreign banks that do
> >business in the US!
>
> >While the bill does state they will report to a congressional
> >committee every so often, there will be no oversight from Congress,
> >courts, or the taxpayers.
>
> >The secretary will be allowed to buy and sell mortgage securities and
> >then use the funds from any sales to pay for administrative costs and
> >other measures in this program, instead of returning the funds to the
> >taxpayers.
>
> >The real kicker is found in Section 8, where it reads "Decisions by
> >the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable
> >and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any
> >court of law or any administrative agency."
>
> >There is no sunset provision on many of the main powers granted by
> >this legislation and thus these powers will become a permanent change
> >to our government.
>
> >Last, but not least, let us remember the Constitution of the United
> >States. I know it does not mean much to the powers that be in
> >Washington and their Globalist masters, but We, The People still
> >revere and respect it.
>
> >In the opinion of this author, the Congress does not have the power to
> >transfer this much power to the Executive Branch, without amending the
> >Constitution. This bailout of Wall Street robber barons is a massive
> >restructuring or our government and financial systems that should not
> >be made without modifying the Constitution.
>
> >This move will change the entire power relationship between the
> >Congress and the Executive Branch, as well as the power relationship
> >between American citizens and our government. To give governmental
> >powers and obligations to financial institutions over our populace is
> >clearly outside of the realm of the Constitution.
>
> >I have a better proposal than this bailout. Let's all get on the
> >phones to members of Congress today. Let's get in the face of every
> >candidate running for office and tell them to keep their stinking
> >hands out of our pockets.
>
> >No more power and money in exchange for their failures!
>
> >Let the financial chips fall where they may and let the market
> >corrections occur and if the consequences for the American public are
> >dire, let us shift through the ashes and rubble of their greed and the
> >excess created to determine how and why this happened. Let Congress
> >use their investigatory power to launch inquiries to determine who
> >should have their assets seized and who is going to prison for this
> >treachery.
>
> >This monopoly game is over. It is time to enforce the rules and start
> >the game over. It is time for many of those in high places to go to
> >jail, go directly to jail, do not pass Go!
> >----
> >William Gheen is the President of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
> >(ALIPAC) and the host of the Last Americans Standing Show. He has
> >appeared regularly on CNN, Fox, MSNBC, and CBS as well as on hundreds
> >of talk radio shows across America. Mr. Gheen has over a decade of
> >experience as a professional campaign consultant in North Carolina and
> >has served previously as a Legislative Assistant, Lobbyist, and
> >Assistant Sgt-At-Arms for the NC Senate. He graduated East Carolina
> >University as Sr. Class President in 1995 with a Bachelor of Science
> >degree in Political Science.
>
> >READY TO TAKE ACTION WITH US TO BLOCK THE BAILOUT? IF SO, VISIT THIS
> >LINK FOR ACTIVIST INSTRUCTIONS.
> >http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-775214.html#775214
>
> >DISCUSS THIS EXCLUSIVE ARTICLE WITH OUR ONLINE ACTIVISTS AT...
> >http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-775022.html#775022
>
> >Note: Associated Press Release titled "No More Power and Money for
> >Government Failures! ALIPAC Opposes Bailout!"
> >http://www.alipac.us/article3565.html
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > What Would the U.S.A.'s Founding Fathers Do?
>
> > I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
> >liberties than standing armies.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied
> >corporations which dare already to challenge our government to
> >a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > If the representatives of the people betray their constituents,
> >there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that
> >original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive
> >forms of government ... The citizens must rush tumultuously to
> >arms, without concert, without system, without resource;
> >except in their courage and despair ...
>
> > The natural strength of the people in a large community, in
> >proportion to the artificial strength of the government, is greater
> >than in a small ... the people, without exaggeration, may be said
> >to be entirely the masters of their own fate.
> > -- Alexander Hamilton
>
> > We in America do not have government by the majority.
> >We have government by the majority who participate.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good
> >conscience to remain silent.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of
> >the people alone. The people themselves are its only safe
> >depositories.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to
> >keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
> >against tyranny in government.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now
> >let us show them we can fight like men also.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Don't talk about what you have done or what you are going
> >to do.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the
> >Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Do you want to know who you are? Don't ask. Act! Action will
> >delineate and define you.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on
> >does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which
> >they draw their gains.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> > Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government
> >those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations,
> >perverted it into tyranny.
> > -- Thomas Jefferson
>
> Removing all illegal aliens would revitalzie the economy, spare the
> environment via population growth, and save billions in law
> enforcement sending and social services.
> America needs a total rebuild not money pumped into a diseased system.
>
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I send the motion...thats close. However, with over 50 trillion in
social security due and not currently payable, govt needs all the
warm bodies it can get in order to tax em to death... lacking that
govt will be forced to downsize by 80% or so..and their retirements
also..so that wont happen.... this is why the illegals are being
encouraged. (police and fire in most states currently retire at age
51, with well over 100k a year and lifetime medical... 5 to 10x what
the private sector gets on average...its bankrupting america and is
about 80% of most city budgets, (half in retirement costs alone)
Phil scott
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