Frugal Living: 16 new messages in 12 topics

Wednesday, September 24, 2008

16 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: My name Eboneesha
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ad01f0e6eb6e1a59?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 2:29 pm
From: "Gregory Morrow"

Eboneesha wrote:

On Sep 22, 11:21?pm, Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
> Eboneesha wrote:
> > My name beEboneesha, an African-American girl who just got an award
> > for being the best speler in class.
>
> Good luck keeping your Google account.
>
> <snip>

i keeps my goggle acount cause i can count to 100 an only miss 20
numberes. I knows my abc's to
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GM replies:

Lol...you GO, girl...!!!

--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking
.

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TOPIC: Wholesale Nokia N95(8GB)=220USD,Nikon D300=500USD,Apple MAC BOOK=750USD-
1700USD(Made in china Gold Member)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0a608e39f9ed4972?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 2:31 pm
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TOPIC: A national mortgage payment boycott would discipline the rotten banking
industry.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2722c3b7b41085ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 3:05 pm
From: "h"

<ranck@vt.edu> wrote in message news:gbavv3$jci$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu...
>h <tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote:
>
>> > hpope@lycos.com () wrote in
>> > news:cdab59dd-8f41-49b5-82ff-42c6f8b876a1@a70g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>> >
>> >> If just 20% of mortgage holders withheld their payments for say two
>> >> months the banking swine
>> >> would be on their knees. Such a boycott would need big-name support.
>> >> Be a nice project
>> >> for early next year.
>> >
>
>> Huh? So I'm supposed to ruin my credit and put my nearly paid off
>> house in jeopardy because a small minority of people (idiots) borrowed
>> more
>> than they could afford at interest rates that they think are too high?
>> Yeah,
>> right, that's gonna happen.
>
> Not only that, but if someone were actually able to organize
> such a stupid scheme, the whole economy would collapse in a way
> that would make 1929 and today's problems seem trivial. This is
> the equivelent of saying, "This boat is taking on water, forget
> bailing, let's set it on fire . . ."
>

Ok, I thought it was just me...

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TOPIC: In fact, it really does look as if the foundations of US capitalism
have shattered. The World As We Know It Is Going Down
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/88a58a209e9d86e2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 3:07 pm
From: "h"

"Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6aiid411pctr9944nar4h70kd6472oeprp@4ax.com...
>
> And likely as not, all these players would have had their counterparts
> in a Gore administration. It was what the power brokers that pull the
> strings wanted. And don't forget, most wars we've entered in the last
> century had a Democratic administration leading the charge.

Really? Math not your long suit?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 4:55 pm
From: Dennis

On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 18:07:38 -0400, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

>
>"Dennis" <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6aiid411pctr9944nar4h70kd6472oeprp@4ax.com...
>>
>> And likely as not, all these players would have had their counterparts
>> in a Gore administration. It was what the power brokers that pull the
>> strings wanted. And don't forget, most wars we've entered in the last
>> century had a Democratic administration leading the charge.
>
>
>Really? Math not your long suit?
>

Well, let's see...

WWI Woodrow Wilson (D)
WWII FDR (D)
Korea Harry Truman (D)
Vietnam JFK/LBJ (D)
Grenada Reagan (R)
Gulf War Bush I (R)
Somalia Clinton (D)
Serbia Clinton (D)
Afghanistan Bush II (R)
Iraq Bush II (R)

I admit I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure 6/10 qualifies as most.

Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally

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TOPIC: At least Palin isn't a homosexual muslim drug addict like Barry Soetoro.
Re: Palin
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/968a95c4d776c842?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 3:11 pm
From: Patriot Games

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 03:59:24 GMT, chief_thracian@yahoo.com (Chief
Thracian) wrote:
>> At least Palin isn't a homosexual...
>And being homosexual is bad, how? Do explain.

Because you're a Mutant.

>For my amusement, if nothing else.

No, the explanation was for your education.

Cocks are for you genetically derived amusement.

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TOPIC: Radiant Floor heating - nonliquid?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9b2399bf8e581df6?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 3:33 pm
From: David Lesher

"Rob Dekker" <rob@verific.com> writes:

>PEX is very, very stable (corrosion free; lasts longer than your home),
....
>Basically the only way to get a leak in a correctly installed PEX
>hydronic system is if you drill into the floor (and into the PEX tubing)
>or jam a nail through it. PEX is sturdy, but it cannot handle nails and
>drillbits.

Or if it does not last as long as the venders claim it will. Obviously,
we don't have 50 years of experience with it.

I know it has temperature limits. If using a boiler, better have a
hi-temp monitor/safety.

>> Actually, the better installations I've seen have 2 interleaved runs
>> for a room. The idea is: if in fact one leaks, the other still handles
>> the room...

>Actually, the interleaved runs are called 'counterflow' loops.
>Counterflow loops minimize temperature differences on the floor, by
>placing inlet and outlet of a loop next to each other. Multiple loops
>in a room are needed for pretty much any reasonable sized room, since
>the temperature drop limits the length of the loops to about 250 feet.

Interesting; I thought they always started at the outside wall side
of the room, and returned from the inside. But I didn't lay the floor,
just designed the GSHP controls and installed them.

>I've never heard about installing loops so that one still works if the
>other is leaking. If anything leaks in the system, you want to fix that
>before continuing. Unless you want to risk wrecking your hardwood (or
>whatever else you have installed on top of the floor heating).

The idea was you can disconnect that one loop and use the other{s}.

>http://viper.verific.com/WebSites/RadiantFloor

The house I refer to had them cast in ?3-6"? of Gunite, with random slate
as the surface.

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& no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 6:35 pm
From: "Rob Dekker"

"David Lesher" <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote in message news:gbbqsg$sjd$1@reader1.panix.com...
> "Rob Dekker" <rob@verific.com> writes:
>
>
>
>>PEX is very, very stable (corrosion free; lasts longer than your home),
> ....
>>Basically the only way to get a leak in a correctly installed PEX
>>hydronic system is if you drill into the floor (and into the PEX tubing)
>>or jam a nail through it. PEX is sturdy, but it cannot handle nails and
>>drillbits.
>
> Or if it does not last as long as the venders claim it will. Obviously,
> we don't have 50 years of experience with it.
>

True. But there is 30+ years experience with it in Europe.
Also extensive durability and very stringent tests show that it is extremely stable in even very harsh environments (like inside
concrete) and/or using brutally hot water.

> I know it has temperature limits. If using a boiler, better have a
> hi-temp monitor/safety.

PEX comes in various ratings, but typically can handle close-to-boiling water under pressure easily.

My system is a closed-loop system driven from the water heater, and can't get any hotter than 130 F and low pressure (12 psi PT
relief valve on the loop).
But even if all safety measures would fail, the my (cheap) PEX can handle 100 psi at 180 F, so I feel pretty secure that something
else will blow out first.

>
>>> Actually, the better installations I've seen have 2 interleaved runs
>>> for a room. The idea is: if in fact one leaks, the other still handles
>>> the room...
>
>>Actually, the interleaved runs are called 'counterflow' loops.
>>Counterflow loops minimize temperature differences on the floor, by
>>placing inlet and outlet of a loop next to each other. Multiple loops
>>in a room are needed for pretty much any reasonable sized room, since
>>the temperature drop limits the length of the loops to about 250 feet.
>
> Interesting; I thought they always started at the outside wall side
> of the room, and returned from the inside.

That's often used for in-slab or slab-on-slab floor heating, where you have total freedom of putting the PEX wherever you want.
The idea is that the outside of the room (where the windows are) should get the warmest, since they experience the most heat loss.
With that you can even use put the PEX lines closer to each other at the windows, and further away in the center.

Using a panel sandwich system, I had more restrictions because of the pre-set groves in the panels.
Also, the panels are less good at distributing heat between the PEX tubes than a slab-on-slab, so I was concerned about local heat
distribution also.
So to avoid local hot spots and cold spots, I used counter-flow loops.
I just made sure that the loop that serves the window sides is a bit shorter than the other loops, which results in average higher
temperature and higher heat throughput than the loops that serve more of the center of the room.

> But I didn't lay the floor,
> just designed the GSHP controls and installed them.
>

Cool. I did not go that far. How much piping went into the ground ? How deep did you have to go ?
What were the economics calculations of such a ground-heat system versus other heat sources ?
What was the water temperature requirement for the floor heating system ? How did that affect your GSHP specs ?
I wonder how that system looks like. Have any pics ?

I currently use my water heater as a heat source, but are now planning to hook that up to DHW solar panels to get some heat from the
sun.

>>I've never heard about installing loops so that one still works if the
>>other is leaking. If anything leaks in the system, you want to fix that
>>before continuing. Unless you want to risk wrecking your hardwood (or
>>whatever else you have installed on top of the floor heating).
>
> The idea was you can disconnect that one loop and use the other{s}.
>

OK. Makes sense, especially in emergency situations.
But often a leak did already do water damage to the flooring before we find it out, so I would think that it requires fixing either
way.

>>http://viper.verific.com/WebSites/RadiantFloor
>
> The house I refer to had them cast in ?3-6"? of Gunite, with random slate
> as the surface.

I think that's called a insulated sandwich slab-on-slab. Great system !

Over existing slab, put 1 inch (or more) insulation, lay out rebar and PEX tubes, and poor a couple of inches of concrete over it
for the new floor.
Cheap and fast to build, and excellent floor heating : relatively fast response (as opposed to putting PEX in the slab itself),
energy efficient (due to the insulation) and great heat distribution (no risks of hot spots). Slate (or any tile) finish is also
close to perfect for floor heating : high heat conductance, so the floor feels very comfortable.

Downsides are that the system is pretty thick (4 inch minimum) and that water temps need to be relatively high (140 F and up).

I had only 1 inch space for the floor heater plus finished flooring, or else would get in trouble with all doors and some windows.
That's why I chose this panel system. It's insulated (3/4 inch thick enforced polystyrene) and topped with alu strip for heat
distribution.
Finished flooring is hardwood and backerboard+tile. The tiled part is most comfortable.
Apart from the ultra-thin design, another advantage the panel system (with alu fins) like mine (as opposed to a slab-on-slab) is
that the water temp is low. Rarely higher than 110 F, or else the floor gets uncomfortably hot. Disadvantages are that the panel
system is more expensive, less 'solid', and risks of hot spots (if loop layout is not carefully designed).
>
>
> --
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> & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX
> Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
> is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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TOPIC: Ebay - fees go up to 19% of listing price
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/31e9404b0a6e5dfd?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 4:50 pm
From: "OhioGuy"

I just noticed a major hike in the fees to list items on Ebay. I had
listed a few DVD's over the past month, and noticed the fees jumped.

Including listing and final value, plus Paypal, to list a fixed price "buy
it now" listing costs 19% of the price you hopefully sell at - just barely
shy of 1/5.

Man, I remember back when it was called Auctionweb, and it only cost a 10c
listing fee to sell things on there.

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TOPIC: Prez.Clinton explained the mortgage meltdown on TV
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/545484fd7c3fa1d4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 5:46 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <7feid4h7lvm2nau906bjnh6ikkr8v2iutk@4ax.com>,
jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:52:54 -0700, "mr. smartypants"
><georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>>last nite on Letterman.
[ ... ]

>if you believe those lines of crap he was pushing you deserve what you
>get, if he really wanted to explain the current mess why do it with an
>idiot like letterman? is he afraid of going on a real forum, like meet
>the press or nightline, "gee they might ask me tough questions, I
>can't do a real news show!"

You forget Bill Clintons' primary interest; Letterman always has two
very attractive models in the green room or on the set to keep the
guests company while they're waiting. He could care less about Wall
Street or financial bailouts.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

Why is it that these days, the words "What idiot" are so frequently
followed by the words "at Microsoft"?

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TOPIC: Panerai Radiomir 10 Days GMT Mens Watch PAM00235
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/41e77c59bd3e9ecf?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 7:12 pm
From: hualibao0013@21cn.com

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TOPIC: Breitling Windrider Chronomat Evolution 18kt Yellow Gold Steel Blue
Mens Watch B1335611-C6-457
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0a223ea9c2e729e4?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 7:13 pm
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TOPIC: Watching The NFL Can Be Really Disgusting
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/04744c1b61cd4c14?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 7:18 pm
From: noemail@all.com

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:07:20 -0500, "John A. Weeks III"
<john@johnweeks.com> wrote:

>In article <cbrdd457r30h0dt59u8u9vb9ascd745fci@4ax.com>,
> ad-sense@usenetmessenger.com wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:06:27 GMT, here@home (A Liberal's Worst
>> Nightmare) wrote:
>>
>> >Wall-to-wall commercials. Guy kicks extra point. Multiple
>> >commercials. Team then kicks off. Multiple commercials. Then on 1st
>> >down, QB completes pass for a 6-yard gain. Oops, another commercial
>> >break. What the fuck!? Nobody on the field called a time-out!
>> >
>> >I can recall when an NFL game averaged 2 hrs. and 15 minutes, and you
>> >would see most of the halftime show. Hey, I'd defend capitalism with
>> >my life, but the way pro sports has given in to greed, I'd be
>> >deliriously happy to see pro sports collapse.
>>
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>the commercials. I can watch a football game in about 45
>minutes. So, if your game starts at noon and ends at 3:15,
>start watching it at 2:20, see the game, and if it goes long,
>watch the last little bit live. Or go do something constructive,
>and come back to the game in the evening.
>
>-john-

I got a better idea yet. DONT WATCH THE GAME......
There is no football game worth watching. The games are all
pre-planned and which ever team has the most money is the winner.
If you want to watch some REAL football, go watch a local highschool
team play. That's where there is really some skill and muscle work.
Watching the so called "PRO" Football is just watching acting.
the same is true for all "pro" sports.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 7:21 pm
From: George Grapman

noemail@all.com wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:07:20 -0500, "John A. Weeks III"
> <john@johnweeks.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <cbrdd457r30h0dt59u8u9vb9ascd745fci@4ax.com>,
>> ad-sense@usenetmessenger.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 18:06:27 GMT, here@home (A Liberal's Worst
>>> Nightmare) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wall-to-wall commercials. Guy kicks extra point. Multiple
>>>> commercials. Team then kicks off. Multiple commercials. Then on 1st
>>>> down, QB completes pass for a 6-yard gain. Oops, another commercial
>>>> break. What the fuck!? Nobody on the field called a time-out!
>>>>
>>>> I can recall when an NFL game averaged 2 hrs. and 15 minutes, and you
>>>> would see most of the halftime show. Hey, I'd defend capitalism with
>>>> my life, but the way pro sports has given in to greed, I'd be
>>>> deliriously happy to see pro sports collapse.
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>> So, you neo-conservatives cannot afford a DVR or TIVO box?
>> Even us liberals know know how to push the button and skip
>> the commercials. I can watch a football game in about 45
>> minutes. So, if your game starts at noon and ends at 3:15,
>> start watching it at 2:20, see the game, and if it goes long,
>> watch the last little bit live. Or go do something constructive,
>> and come back to the game in the evening.
>>
>> -john-
>
>
> I got a better idea yet. DONT WATCH THE GAME......
> There is no football game worth watching. The games are all
> pre-planned and which ever team has the most money is the winner.

So how do the Packers win?
> If you want to watch some REAL football, go watch a local highschool
> team play. That's where there is really some skill and muscle work.
> Watching the so called "PRO" Football is just watching acting.
> the same is true for all "pro" sports.
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Sep 23 2008 11:32 pm
From: Michael Alden

I used to be a big football fan. Now, I'll watch only if the Raiders
are on, which in NY is rarely. Even then, I'll either record it on my
DVD hard drive or else watch it while doing something else. What no
one has even mentioned is that there are about 2/3 of the amount of
plays in a game now compared to the 70s. They had to take something
out to make room for all the ads and actual football had to go. I
don't feel I'm missing much as most games now resemble battles between
the Bloods and the Crips anyway.

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